10/18/2024
GREAT NEWS FOR FOLKS WHO COULDN'T GO TO MEXICO BECAUSE OF 'UNCANCELABLE TIPS'.
Apparently the Mexican government has just now, after years, come up with a process for 'ghost' and other bad Temporary Import Permits to be cancelled. Primarily these are those that were issued by Aduana prior to 2005.
We know this based on the report from Sally Aldridge of the Santa Cruz 52 Sweetheart, who was told the boat had TIPs from 2001 and 2004 that couldn't be canceled because the Mexican bureaucracy didn't have a process to do it. We know, crazy. But wanting to do the Ha-Ha so badly, Sally was determined not to take 'no' for an answer. So she headed to Ensenada seeking a solution.
'Good luck', we thought, having dealt with Mexican bureaucracy many times before. But miraculously, Sally succeeded. We're not sure if it was because of her determination or because Mexico just changed the crazy policy, but here is how it went for her:'
"We had two pre-2005 TIPs to cancel, one in 2001, and the other in 2004
"On the morning of October 16 we walked across the border at PedEast at San Ysidro and caught the ABC bus down to Ensenada from Tijuana because we didn’t want to mess with driving a vehicle across the border. Walking over the border turned out to be super easy, with no lines, and the bus was nearby, comfortable, and inexpensive.
"We got to Ensenada around 10:30 am and started at Banjercito Ensenada on Ave Teniente Jose Azueta. [Banjercito, the Mexican military bank, is the agency that has been in charge of TIPs since 2005.]
"We spoke to Elia Beatriz Urquidi Cobos, who is a manager there. She speaks great English, and we showed her the following:
— Boat registration
— Form 1300 from U.S. Customs and Border Patrol, which can be obtained at the airport in San Diego.
— Our passports.
—The Banjercito report about our TIPs. We got this from BC Connections, who charged us $50.
"Elia made three copies of each, and verified the existence of the old TIPs in her system.
"She then explained that we needed to go to the Aduana office down the street to start the process.
"At this point Elia stepped outside to direct us to Aduana, and there was Jorge Badille, the manager of Aduana. The two spoke. I'm not sure if they just 'ran into each other' or whether this was planned. But it turned out to be a very fruitful conversation. Jorge reviewed our documents right there, and confirmed that everything was in order, and told Elia what else we needed to do.
"Specifically, we needed to write a letter to the Aduana asking for the old TIPs to be cancelled. We need to include the old TIP numbers and the names of the previous owners in the letter. We also needed to state that we are the new owners of the boat. Then print it, sign it, and make three copies.
"We went to the Tourist Information Office around the corner to do this. They were very helpful and made print outs and copies for us for free.
"Then we went to the Aduana de Ensenada with all the paperwork. The office is at Blvd, P.º Olas Altas 110, Recinto Portuario, 22800 Ensenada, B.C., Mexico
"This office is behind a heavy layer of security, and they told us that only one person can go through. So Michael, my husbanad went, as he is the appointed 'manager' of our LLC. He spoke to the woman at the desk, and she asked for the letter to be in Spanish. So she translated it for Michael. He wrote it out by hand, and she stamped it. She told him it would take one week to get the TIP cancellations done.
"We then showed the stamped letter to Elia back at the Banjercito. She said she actually needed a printed and stamped image of a 'cancellation screen' from Aduana to get the process going on the Banjercito side. She said once she has that, she could send it to the Mexico City Banjercito, and it could be canceled out of the system intraday, depending on time differences.
"So we went back to Jorge at the Aduana to ask for that. He committed to doing at 10 am the next morning, and email it to Elia. So we stayed in Ensenada overnight just to make sure all went well.
"We stayed at the Hotel Coral, as it was a good chance to speak with Fito Espinoza, the Dock Master, who is very experienced with TIPs and immigration. He suggested we "stay on" Jorge as he'd had some old TIP cancellations go nowhere with Aduana in the past. Fito was very interested to hear about the results of our efforts, as it would allow him to help many other boat owners.
"Michael went back to the Aduana office the next day at 10am on October 17, and he stayed there until he had the right documents in his hand. At that point we had two cancelled TIPs!
"We then took those pages to Elia, who scanned them and sent them to her superiors. The old TIPs were cleared out of the Banjercito system within a few hours, and we were able to successfully apply for a new TIP that day. Again, we sat in the office until this was all done, only about 30 minutes, and we now have a new TIP in hand!!!
"Summary: The Sacramento consulate was correct: It is now possible to cancel pre-2005 TIPs with the Aduana in Ensenada. And the Banjercito in Ensenada can get it cleared from their system with the right documentation from Aduana. Fito confirmed that this is exactly how the process worked in the past, but he did not know it was working once again, and neither did BC Connections.
"Jorge (Aduana Ensenada manager) and Elia (Banjercito Ensenada manager) are competent people who seem to have a good working relationship, and they are collaborating together to make things happen. It helps that these offices are down the street from each other. I'm not sure if it’s dumb luck and they have started cancelling old TIPs again at just the right time for us, or we are geniuses. Either way, we will take it !
"There are no charges for the process of TIP cancellation, and it can be done by the boat owner through the official channels without an agent in one or two days. Be prepared for multiple visits to each office.
"Hopefully this bodes well for other boats in this situation.
"Feel free to send any questions to [email protected]."
So that's the story from Sweetheart. If we had a boat with an 'uncancellable TIP', we'd get our b***y down to Ensenada fast. You just never know when things are going to change.
We'd also assume you might have to spend as much as four days or even longer, depending on the many Mexican holidays, short hours of Mexican offices, Jorge or Elia being out of the office, and god knows what else. Whatever you do, bring every bit of paperwork you have for your and your boat. You can never tell what Mexican officials might need to be some obscure piece of paper — including the Articles of Incorporation if the boat is owned by a corporation. [This is actually easily to get online if a California corporation.]
Good luck, everyone!!!
And a double thank you to Sally and Michael for the superb report.